It was at one of those family reunions, and I was probably a teenager, and I was so embarrassed. Let's see, I swam out too far. ‘Cause I used to be -- I am, I was very athletic like, as a teenager, um, but still, like you think when you're swimming, it -- at least for me, it's easy to like, get out far and then be like, "Oh, I didn't calculate -- or my brain didn't calculate, like getting back," you know. Um, if that makes sense. And so, I had gone out further, and then I was trying to make my way back. And I was just, like, running out of steam. And so my nephew's -- would’ve been -- that nephew's like, like two years younger than me. So when I say my nephew, it's basically someone my age. Um, his friend was there with us, and he was also a teenager, and he was taller, so he was like able to, like, stand in the water. And I swam up to him and grabbed his shoulders, which I felt really embarrassed about, and then he was able to help me get back to shore, and I -- it was really embarrassing. But at the same time, I'm so thankful that he was there and saw me and, um, you know, so, ‘cause that could have been bad. So it was embarrassing, but at the same time, he -- he was definitely a hero. So I appreciate that.

I was trying to self-host Nextcloud, which is a replacement for Google Drive among other things. Part of -- out, out of curiosity, mostly. And so I had it all set up. I had my database set up, I had my domain name set up, and it was working, and I had like, a calendar. It was really cool. But, like a few days later, it got ransomware-locked just because I didn't do the security completely right. I had left the port exposed, the database port exposed, and I guess the password to it -- I must have left that admin password unchanged ‘cause otherwise I'm wondering how they would have done that, but I must have left, like, a crappy admin password. But yeah, they ransomware-locked my database and I lost not that much data. Just a few days worth of data that I had from using this Nextcloud system. And then yeah, I was just like, "Oh man. I’m, I’m swimming in the deep end here, a little bit. I don't really know what I'm doing." So that kinda discouraged me from trying to continue self-hosting in that way. But, you live and you learn.

After that, I had this weird thing that, I don't know whether it was from my adrenaline and mortal, just general mortal terror being so high for so long during the cancer treatment or whether like it was a weird effect of chemo, but I, I stopped having adrenaline responses to dangerous situations for a while.  We were at a friend's house for, I think it was for the Fourth of July, and the adults were talking. It was -- there were no other kids there. It was just my kids, and it was at this point just my son, and we were all like, sitting near the pool. Like, we, we were right there. And my friend that I was stand- -- sitting there talking to was like, "Oh, look at your son." And he was like, doing the thing. You know, he was bobbing in the water, like his head going under the water, bobbing down, and then he’d bob back up and, and be trying to, to get a lungful like, you know. It, it's so quiet when somebody is like, starting to drown. It's so quiet. It's, it's not how you expect from watching the television. But, but my friend recognized it right away and I, and I saw this and I was just like, "Huh.” My, my brain had no -- like, normally I am, like, borderline helicopter mother, like if something dangerous is happening, to a ridiculous extent preventive of danger coming to my children, and just nothing. Fortunately, there were four adults to one child in the pool, and my husband -- Oh, he was so cool. Like, just, just slick as ice, he just -- he like, fully clothed, he, he just like -- I think he maybe took a jacket off or something -- why would he be wearing a jacket? It was July -- So he must not -- he must have just been completely fully clothed. Like, he already had his shoes and stuff off because he was just sitting there so he didn't have boots on. And just jumped over the little fence that was around the pool and straight into the water and got my son out of the pool, and he was fine. He was not like, he was not like, drowning drowning yet, he was just in trouble. Like, a few -- like, 10, 15…

And so, she invited me to her Christmas party. And her mom I knew was a music teacher, and my mom was a science teacher, and we both lived in suburban Detroit area and not that far from each other, and I thought, “Okay, you know, this would be fine.” I knew she had a younger brother, and he was in high school and, you know, kind of an average sort of a thing for my era. It was 1975, by the way, and so I wasn't really expecting anything usual ‘til I went to her house. When I got to her house, you know, I went in and I had my, my boyfriend with me and we went in and they took our coats and, you know, hung 'em up in the closet and we went into -- through the entrance hall to the kitchen. And got some drinks and you know, were headed toward, I guess, what would be the family room for sitting down, and all the kinda things you do at parties, and then her father came in and said, “Oh, did you show the, the kids, your friends the Picasso?” So we went -- got all -- had to go up with her dad and had to go back to the front hall and look at this Picasso in their hallway. And I had studied art history, so, you know, Picasso, I kinda knew about it. My boyfriend really didn't have a clue, but he figured, “Okay, it must be something important.” And we went and looked at the Picasso, and I mean, it was a Picasso. I was quite surprised and impressed. I got thinking about it later. We had a mirror in our front hall. When you came in, there was a mirror in a kind of a fancy frame that my mother had put there opposite the coat closet. You know, the idea if you come in and you have to put your coat on, you might need a mirror. Not a Picasso but a mirror, you know, just kind of a, a crazy contrast in being out of your league. It was pretty funny.

When somebody says "touché" it means "you got me there." Tell us about a time you were arguing with somebody and you had to admit they made a good point. My husband, he always makes a good point. We were arguing about the vacuum cleaner and all the stuff that it could do. And I was saying it could do one thing, and he was saying, "No, it can't." And I was like, "I'm sure it can." And he went and got the box. I didn't know he saved the box. And he was like, "Where on the box does it say that it'll do that?" Well, it didn't. So, he had me. Touché.